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[helen99]

Excerpt of "From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins:

"...Lamech is accusing his wife of sleeping not with angels in general, but of having had relations with a specific race of divine beings known in Hebrew as 'Irin', meaning 'those who watch' or 'those who are awake', which is translated into Greek as Egrigoroi, meaning 'watchers'."

I know it's just a nuance of language, but the term 'watchers' had always seemed a bit abstract. What were they watching. Who knows. But... "Those who are awake." That's not so abstract.

Also, I like the word 'irin'.

Comments

[keyake.livejournal.com]

Interesting. Have yet to delve into the copy you gave me, but later today maybe.

[imieisegreti.livejournal.com]

I've found mention of the 'Watchers' interesting, myself. They are mentioned in the Book of Enoch, and I thought I'd heard of them mentioned in Sumerian myth, so I looked it up. Here is a link that, while I do not agree with everything it says (at least in the beginning), shows some interesting views of the 'Watchers', not only in Sumerian myth, but Egyptian as well. And I believe much of the bible (at least the old Testament) comes from both Sumerian and Egyptian myth. Here is the link: http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/watchers.html

I haven't read through the whole thing yet, as I'm at work, but you may find it worth reading. :)

Light and laughter,

Samantha :)

[helen99.livejournal.com]

That looks fascinating. I will definitely read through that. Thanks!

[imieisegreti.livejournal.com]

You are more than welcome! I have read through more of it since commenting on your post, and it is very interesting. It even mentions the book you quoted from to begin with! *laughs* And from what I can see, it uses several different sources for it's information from many different books.

[podisodd.livejournal.com]

Wow.

I'm actually writing a story based on this exact material. Thank you very very much. This will be very useful to me.

[imieisegreti.livejournal.com]

:)

[helen99.livejournal.com]

This book is rather fascinating. Tallgildowan has one of my copies and seemed to be enjoying it immensely. I've got one more if you want to borrow it.

[podisodd.livejournal.com]

Thanks, I'll take you up on that since I'm starting to hit the research portion of the writing. Thanks again.

[fearadyn.livejournal.com]

Mew??? Please let me know when you are done, I would love to read your work, and for sure if you publish I will buy!

[podisodd.livejournal.com]

Thanks, I will! It'll be awhile but I will let you know when I'm done.

[brigidsblest.livejournal.com]

I read that book, I think about 3 or 4 years ago, and found it utterly fascinating.

[illuviel.livejournal.com]

Though I've not poked too deeply into Sumerian/Egyptian/Middle-Eastern mythos (I have read some of the modern-day commentary), this conceptery has a definite ping for me and always has.

And I like 'irin' as well.

I should look for the book, I guess.

[helen99.livejournal.com]

Not too far to look...

[fearadyn.livejournal.com]

Yes some of the oldest stories are about this race, the awake ones, which makes perfect sence to me. I am sure that as time moves on more will be found or be made public.

[fearadyn.livejournal.com]

There is also this which I find interesting, it may mean not a thing, I just find it interesting. On the 'Elven Language' page this is listed

Iri'A The One Force; the creative force behind all things, very
much akin to the Force in the Star Wars trilogy (Origin - t)

It just seems to me that the ones who are 'most' awake would be the ones who would contribute most to the process of creation. We hear stories of 'the dreamers' who dream this universe into being. It just feels to be some sort of connection.

[helen99.livejournal.com]

I think that in any age, free-thinking creators are related in some fashion to "those who are awake".... Scratch the surface and the same thing shows up, over and over. And they're generally resented by those who can only absorb what they're told and regurgitate it. "Hey. How come you're acting like *that*?? Who told you to say those things, do that stuff, and walk that walk?"

As I've said before...

[ahril.livejournal.com]

Ir'in/Ir

Ur

Iraq, Iran
Aesir, Assyria
Vanir, Lake Van

Ir, Eire, Ireland

Ir, Eire, Weir, Vere (Weird and Wyrd also)

de Vere Elf, Were Alf, Werewolf (just one of many stories)


Look at the language development. Look at the migration/diaspora. Look at the genetics. It's all there, hidden in plain sight.

*icon is Arms of Carruthers, btw, a sept of Clan Bruce. Comes to me through my mother's line.*

Re: As I've said before...

[helen99.livejournal.com]

Not to mention Illyria, which is the setting of Edward de Vere's play "The Tempest" (He visited that city briefly on his way to Italy). The exact location in Illyria is Ragusa. Apparently Illyria threads its way through many of hte plays.

It's now Albania or thereabouts. In Greek, the letter U is actually pronounced like the Y in Illyria - so Ur is related to Yr or Ir (but you knew that)...

Re: As I've said before...

[starlightforest.livejournal.com]

"Not to mention Illyria, which is the setting of Edward de Vere's play "The Tempest"

And also the setting of Twelfth Night, IIRC.

"Ir, Eire, Ireland" is giving me a bit of the shivers, myself.