Yezidi

[helen99]

From thewronghands
A cool link on the Yezidi: http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001064.html
Delightful firsthand interview and insights into the attitudes of surrounding areas.

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[inannas-descent.livejournal.com]

*Squeals over the Yezidis*

What a great article! Thanks so much for posting it. My peacock statue and I are most appreciative, lol. The Yezidis are one of my most favorite subjects after the Watchers, and the Yezidi religion is the best evidence we have for the survival of a Watchers cult. I first found out about them in From Ashes of Angels: The Forbidden Legacy of a Fallen Race by Andrew Collins. That book is so freaking amazing! I have made so many people buy it, and I have even given my own copies of it away. (I sent a copy to Burton C. Bell from Fear Factory, as he was doing research for a new project he is now doing called Ascension of the Watchers, and I gave a copy to Nick Cave after I met him and got into a religious conversation with him. (What an awesome thing that was.) Oddly enough he had not heard of the Watchers, so I told him I'd bring him that book. And he put me and my friend on the guest list for the next show!

There is also a chapter on the Yezidis in a book I read called A History of Secret Societies by Arkon Daraul. A most interesting read. But this was great, a first hand account! Nice.

I'm quite sad that I cant convert to the religion. *sniffle* Damn prohibitions. But I get where they are coming from.

[helen99.livejournal.com]

Hee! Me too! I have 3 copies of Ashes now and that's after I gave one away to someone... I've often thought the Real Reason (TM) for the invasion of Iraq had a lot to do with what Andrew Collins was talking about and maybe a little (but not as much) to do with oil.

NicK Cave! Awesome indeed.

> A History of Secret Societies

I'll be sure to check it out.

[inannas-descent.livejournal.com]

I heard a minister (a fairly cool one, not the psycho kind, lol) say that when the Watchers and Lucifer got kicked out of Heaven, they had to land somewhere. And they landed in Iraq. He was stating that this is the reason why there has been constant conflict and turmoil in that part of the world for thousands of years. It would make sense actually. The Watchers contributions to humankind are directly responsible for bringing about "civilization", and the Sumerian civiliaztion is credited as being the world's earliest. Therefore Iraq makes perfect sense.

And it is also not a coincidence that the 3 major monotheistic religions grew out of this same area. I mean think about it, angels play a huge role in Christianity. Gabriel is the one who "announces" to Mary that she will bear the Christ child. According to some traditions, it is he that actually impregnates her with the seed of the holy spirit. Some view this as that he just "magically implanted the seed in her". But if you view it more literally, he could have impregnated her by actual copulation with her. Since angels are the "sons of God", then the seed implanted in her would actually be the "seed of God". And in Muslim tradition, the Koran is dictated to Muhammed by God through Jibril, also Gabriel "interfering" again (he's a busy dude, lol). So you have two religions being started in the same region by the same Watcher, allegedly announcing it as God's will.

I've always believed that there are "good" Watchers and "bad" Watchers, for lack of a more sophisticated term. The bad ones have a serious bone to pick with humans for coming between the angels and god, and therefore try to screw us over and cause war and conflict whenever possible. The "good" Watchers generally like us, and they are well-meaning, but often misguided in their intentions.

It's all so interesting. Things just keep tying together...

[helen99.livejournal.com]

It would be interesting if Gabriel was also responsible for a number of other religions as well. I'm not too well-versed in the details of the lore, but doesn't one of the aspects of the seraphim look like a "serpent of fire" (with extrusions that look like "wings" down the sides)? (a feathered serpent)?

What if he was the real bad Watcher, and knew full well what he was doing (in terms of future genocide and bloodshed) by starting the major religions. If there was a Watcher of music, makeup/jewelry, warfare/metal, etc., then why not one of religion.

If Mary was impregnated by means of direct sexual relations with a Watcher, then Gabriel would be no different than the original Watchers who were allegedly thrown out of their kingdom for doing similar things. But if that was the case, Jesus would have been a gigantic Nephil dude, and I haven't seen him described anything like that in the literature... Lots of fun to think about though!

I liked the one who taught music and dance to humankind... Now that was a worthwhile Watcher no matter what trouble zie caused...

[inannas-descent.livejournal.com]

And now I am remembering (after going back and looking at your profile again) that this is how I found and added you, by doing an LJ interests search for Watchers and/or Andrew Collins. So I probably just said a bunch of shit your already know, lol. *Sorry my moments of senility are becoming more and more frequent, lol.*

So do you know about the "Questing Conference" in Camden (near London) every fall? It's supposedly the largest "alternative history" conference in the UK, hosted by the one and only Andrew Collins. I am really thinking about trying to go to it this year, if I can afford to go and find someone to stay with my cat. If not this year, hopefully next year, although this year will be better since I will hopefully be settled down into a grad school by fall of next year. I would really like to collaborate with AC on a sequel to "Ashes of Angels". He's collaborated with other scholars who have sought him out, so why not me? I've done so much research on other Watcher survivals. The only real complaint that I had with the book was that it was so extensive on the old world stuff, and he even went into Europe a little bit, but he didn't say a thing about the Americas. There are TONS of both Watchers and Nephelim parallels amonng the myths and oral traditions of the Native North and South Americans. Hell, we even have giant skeletal remains found in the great burial mounds all through the US that could relate to the stories of the black-haired and red-haired Nephelim. I get so excited talking about it, I'm a geek. LOL. I've been doing a lot of research on survivals of Watcher/Nephelim myths in art as well. I just found an image in a book an 11th century depiciton of the Nephelim hanging onto the ark in a church in France! I was so stoked! It's one of the lesser known churches there too. So I'm going to try to go see it one of these days and maybe try to publish some writing on it.

We need to start a Watchers discussion group. Or in my case a Watchers support group, lol.

[helen99.livejournal.com]

I don't often talk about that interest on LJ, so it's understandable that people would forget. Hadn't heard of Questing Conference until just now...

It might be interesting to collaborate with AC on it, but maybe he's more interested in the old world, and it may be that the Americas are your purview - maybe you should do it on your own. Sounds like you may have a lot of the material for your book already.

France seems to have a plethora of stuff nobody else has - a lot of the Nephilim and Grail stuff (which may not be that far apart after all) seems to have survived in France.

[inannas-descent.livejournal.com]

You can find information on the questing conference at his website, www.andrewcollins.com

Yeah, I'm definitely going to write a book on it one of these days. Collaborating with him seems like it would be really rewarding, but you are probably right, I would be better off just doing it myself.

My subject area is definitely Old World. My focus is Mesopotamia and Iran, although I am starting to lean toward Byzantine. (Very interesting and easier to study without getting beheaded.) I was pleasantly surprised how much the apocryphal traditions had survived in the Byzantine and early Medieval periods, such as that church with the Nephelim/ark painting that I mentioned. There are literary survivals as well.

North American history is not really my subjcct area, but I have studied a lot of Native American myths. I'm part Cherokee, and I was instantly intrigued by appearence of nephelim in Cherokee traditions, such as the legend of Tsul Kalu - the "slant-eyed giant". There is also a lesser known Cherokee legend of the Tsunil Kalu, - "Slanted Eyed People" who claimed to be from the east, more specifically, the "land of the rising sun". They were described as having long curly black hair and beards, and slanted-eyes, and of course there is their considerable height. The physical description definitely seems to be describing a Semitic people of some kind, so the could have easily come from Mesopotamia. (Native Americans don't have curly hair, and the men usually can't grow beards.) There are other Native American legends about giants or bird-people too. Divine kingship is exemplified amongst the Maya by the wearing of the Principle Bird Deity costume. The Aztec have the feathered serpent Quetzlcoatl, who is kind of a Prometheus figure. And Prometheus himself has some definite Watcher characteristics, so the legends definitely made it into Greece. The Hellenistic Pergamum frieze depicting the battle of gods (some of whom are winged) and giants screams Watcher and Nephelim survivals! There is a lot of evidence out there. It's just a matter of piecing it all together.

I think there is a reason that this information is being revealed once again after being lost for thousands of years. The fact that it survived at all, even in such an obscure way, is a miricale considering the tenacious effects of church suppression. I think there is a lesson to be learned from texts such as the Book of Enoch and others, a lesson that is somehow pertinent to this and subsequent generations. In the Slavonic Book of Enoch text, it mentions the 8th day of creation, which is when God is supposed to turn his back on creation, causing it thus to disappear. This happens when people forget that God exists. You can definitely see the shift in consciousness that has occured since the advent of science and the publication of Darwin's Origin of the Species. God isn't as important as he used to be in society. Scientists in labcoats emulate God with experiments and controls. The search for immortality has pushed men to the very brinks of madness since the beginning of time. And it wont be long now before scientist can figure out how to make people live for damn near forever. According to the legend, before God sent the flood, everyone lived for a really long time. After the flood, he set a fixed timeframe for the human life cycle of no more than 120 years. That was the only way he could keep us in check. And now scientists are getting closer to figuring out how to do undo that. Once that happens, I think the 8th day of Creation will occur shortly thereafter, when science replaces God, and thus undoes Creation.

[helen99.livejournal.com]

> Scientists in labcoats emulate God with experiments and controls.
> The search for immortality has pushed men to the very brinks
> of madness since the beginning of time. And it wont be long now
> before scientist can figure out how to make people live for damn
> near forever.

If they do though, nobody will be able to afford it anytime soon. They'll reserve that for the power elite and use everyone else for slavery and cannon fodder. The thought of the current world power structure living for 500 years or more may be enough reason for something drastic to occur, though.

> According to the legend, before God sent the flood, everyone lived for a
> really long time. After the flood, he set a fixed timeframe for the human
> life cycle of no more than 120 years. That was the only way he could keep
> us in check.

Possibly if he made ovulation cycle a bit more seasonal (like maybe once every ten years), that would have done a better and more humane job of keeping people in check. Enki and Enlil wanted numrous slaves, though, so they made the breeding rapid and profuse.

> And now scientists are getting closer to figuring out how to do undo that.
> Once that happens, I think the 8th day of Creation will occur shortly
> thereafter, when science replaces God, and thus undoes Creation.

I don't think God will have to fire a shot. I'm confident that humanity will take care of all that on it's own. We've already irrevocably and irrepairably upset that which supports life on this planet, and I think it's now too late to fix it. Enlil will be pleased, since we make too much noise, and he wasn't getting any sleep...

[inannas-descent.livejournal.com]

LMAO - Yeah Enlil will be pleased.

As for the long human life spans mentioned in texts like the Book of Genesis and Book of Enoch (and the Sumerian King List) they may or may not be meant to be interpreted literally. Either way, the outcome wasn't good back then, so what makes anyone think that prolonging life today would have any better results? And you are right, it would only be for the rich and power hungry. *Shudders* The thought of immortalized Bush's and Cheney's will surely bring about an apocalypse, lol.

I don't think God will fire a shot either. I think that humans will screw it all up so bad that there will be no turning back. If God closes his eyes on creation, it will only be to put us all to sleep like a lame horse.

Have you ever heard of the Lilithian Quaternity? Sometimes also refered to as a Luciferian Quaternity, but I prefer the former. The idea basically states that in the beginning there were Four. The Four Gods were Yahweh, his female counterpart Shekinah (the personification of divine wisdom), Lilith and Samael. (Although some say that the latter is Lucifer or Satan.) So the Rule of Four lasted for many thousands of years. It wsa kinda like the Tetrarchs in Rome and Constantinople, except the tetrarchs consisted of 2 greater and two lesser authorities. The Quaternity was an equal balance of power. None of the Gods were any more or less powerful than any of the others. However, Yahweh decided to usurp power from the others and keep it all to himself. At this point it gets kinda shady how exactly he does this. (Or my memory could just be fuzzy.) But somehow he does, and he suppresses Lilith and Samael reducing their power and demonizing them. I'm sure why he doesn't do the same thing to Shekinah, I suppose because she was his consort. He basically just silenced her and shoved her into the background. (Typical of all Old Testament Hebrew males.) These kind of stories never end there. They usually end with "... and then one day the other three joined forces to take back what was rightfully theirs." Just something to think about.

It's all just myths though, all of it. All myths are completely true and completely false at the same time. What we have to take from them are the lessons and warnings they heed. Not that it does any good. Humans are by and large and stupid and self-destructive race. Not much we can do about it.

[helen99.livejournal.com]

I've heard of a Quaternity, but using different names for the same deities. The ones I've run across are Enlil (Jahweh), Enki (Samael), Ninlil (Shekinah) and Ninki (Lillith). Those correspondences are just my guesses - they probably don't correspond exactly and changed with passing millennia.

More info about them can be found ehre http://www.halexandria.org/dward184.htm

The brothers didn't get along from the beginning, always bickering about who should rule what... Humans via Adam and Eve were supposedly created by Enki and Ninki, so Enlil was rather harsh in his dealings with them.

[inannas-descent.livejournal.com]

There is that one as well, but this one relates specifically to the Judao-Christian players.

I like the idea of Enki making us out of clay. Funny that in the Maya cosmology, the clay people (or mud people, same thing really) didn't work out. Neither did the wood people. Only the maize dough people worked. Then there is the Babylonian version where Marduk making us with his blood after he made the heaven and earth from Tiamat, after slicing her in two halves. And humans came to be to play out the bickering between Ahura Mazda and Ahriman (or Ahura Mainyu and Angra Mainyu). It is so much fun being a pawn! There are so many damn creation stories. But we are all put here for the amusement and service of the god(s). In the end we all go back to the primordial ooze, lol.

[silvaerina-tael.livejournal.com]

This feels and sounds like something I should pay attention to, and take part in (though I don't think I am one, I feel that there are relations) but I don't have much in the way of information on it at all.

[siabha-maellyn.livejournal.com]

Interesting; thanks for sharing :)