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The version of the new testament that I read long ago says that one and only one crime will never be forgiven: blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

What the heck IS "blasphemy of the holy spirit", I wondered when I read it. Surely it's not some pickled old bum cursing god, country, and destiny.

I think I'm pretty sure I know what the answer is now. Control and domination of the Life Force, control of the Love that binds matter together, control of the planet's magnetic poles, grids, and heart, attempting to place the Earth's heart in a cage. Here are some good candidates:

Patenting and owning of genetic code;
Nuclear detonation (reversing of the strong force, which amounts to scattering love and consciousness);
Genetic engineering - creating life forms without love - amounts to rape and the creation of orcs;
Ownership of life forms, land, water, or air with intent to exploit;
Changing the planet's ice caps and weather patterns with intent to exploit;
Desecrating the earth's polar and equator regions with intent to exploit;

Re: Ramblings

Date: 2007-01-05 07:48 pm (UTC)
ext_5300: tree in the stars (Default)
From: [identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com
I knew you'd respond. You love this stuff!

[["In the Christian stage of my journey, I figured this meant stifling the spiritual experience of other people, or stifling other people's interpretations of those experiences"]]

Interesting take. I expect it means entirely different things to each person. It's pretty much "The Most Horrible Thing you can Think Of" (TM) LOL!

[["I have no trouble with having opinions, expressing them or debating, but so often organized groups of people will stiffle the experiences of individuals by coercisan or just plain manipulation (maniulative people can be extrodinarily "nice"). This, and here's another opinion, stems from a false notion of the group and the individual being in conflict. This is faulty logic because a group is nothing more or less than a collection of individuals. Further, every individual is a part of a group, connected to larger systems. "]]]

Yeah, it gets way to complicated to make blanket statements like I did above. Ignore me. I'm in a "mood" today (cackle)...

[[["This idea is very "American" (as in how Americans have been taught to procieve our ideals) in it's feel... Socialist (and Communist, if you want to go to that extreme) ecconomies fail to realise that humans are already interconnected (thus making our resources interconnected), so there is no need to inforce a collective style of distributing resources."]]]

I agree - I never could stand the idea of being a slave to a collective. I am not a hive entity...

Re: Ramblings

Date: 2007-01-05 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueeyesblazing.livejournal.com
Interesting take. I expect it means entirely different things to each person. It's pretty much "The Most Horrible Thing you can Think Of" (TM) LOL!

True. I remember hearing a Catholic priest talk about a prophacy... the Third Secret of Fatima (I think). He said, "Think of the morst horrible think you can think of, and it will be worse."

At that point, he lost any credibility with me, but this gets beyond the realm of evidence or even faith and plunges right into naked unsubstanciated fear.

This most grievous of sins comes accross and being more bassed on intention than action... The idea that, if your intentions are right, your actions will fallow suit. I don't believe this to be true, nessessarily. The converse of this is that, if your intentions are wring, your actions will fallow the cource. Seems to me that the Spirt is not about physical action but what is in a person's heart. If some one stiffles the goodness (assumeing God is good, and I have my doubts about YHWH, but that's another story), they are stiffling the source of right actions and turning them onto a path of evil... I don't like thw word "evil" because it's too culturally loaded and nonspacific, but by "evil" I mean manevolance and or an end justifed the means philosophy.

Yeah, it gets way to complicated to make blanket statements like I did above. Ignore me. I'm in a "mood" today (cackle)...

Far be it for me to judge some one for being moody.

I agree - I never could stand the idea of being a slave to a collective. I am not a hive entity...

Neither is any other human being (even the extreamly sheepish). That's why totalitarian systems donnot work.

Re: Ramblings

Date: 2007-01-05 08:37 pm (UTC)
ext_5300: tree in the stars (Default)
From: [identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com
"This most grievous of sins comes accross and being more based on intention than action... The idea that, if your intentions are right, your actions will fallow suit. I don't believe this to be true, necessarily. "

Not always, no - suppose you have the best of intentions but then press the wrong button and something blows up. I think there might be a point at which ignorance is its own offense.

"The converse of this is that, if your intentions are wrong, your actions will follow the course. Seems to me that the Sipirt is not about physical action but what is in a person's heart. If some one stifles the goodness (assumeing God is good, and I have my doubts about YHWH, but that's another story), they are stifling the source of right actions and turning them onto a path of evil... I don't like thw word "evil" because it's too culturally loaded and nonspecific, but by "evil" I mean malevolance and/or an ends justifies the means philosophy. "

I have my doubts about YHWH too. He never did like people very much. Thought we made too much noise and tried to destroy us several times. His brother liked us better, but he was no bed of roses either. Rock/Hard place...

Re: Ramblings

Date: 2007-01-05 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueeyesblazing.livejournal.com
I have my doubts about YHWH too. He never did like people very much. Thought we made too much noise and tried to destroy us several times. His brother liked us better, but he was no bed of roses either. Rock/Hard place...

I suspect that YHWH, while probably wise and well intntioned, might have been/ might be a rather substancial entity who decided to be a heavy handed ruler of a "chosen people". I even suspect that the God of Jesus was not YHWH even though he said it was... or perhaps some entity went and claimed to be YHWH and fooled allot of naiev but well intentoned Semetic people's into stoning gays and pWn1n6 the Cannanites. *shrugs* There seems to be quite a schism between a God of laying down the law... at extrem costs and a God that sets down lays but is willing to forgive and work with people... people who choose him instead of the other way around. Interesting.

As for a devil, I've run into severl distinct energy structures that claimed to be Lucifer (one is in a body), but none of them have come off as terribly convincing. "Hi. I'm the devil. I'm scary." Well, I think Lucifer, if even real, is a hell of allot more complex than the big scary thing people make it out to be. Satan, Belial, Bealzibub... either different entities or different names for the same boogie man.

Re: Ramblings

Date: 2007-01-05 10:25 pm (UTC)
ext_5300: tree in the stars (Default)
From: [identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com
I don't think Jesus ever even mentioned the name of his father, did he? He just said, "My Father".

Who knows who that really was.

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Date: 2007-01-05 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ahril.livejournal.com
Mary was visited by Gabriel, an "angel of the Lord", and she was found to be pregnant shortly thereafter without Joseph, her fiance, ever having touched her.

While many folks think of Gabriel's energy signature as being female, I've never quite been sure. This article describes him as male.

Is it me or does it seem like some text was edited out between, "May it be done to me according to your word." and "Then the angel departed from her."? I've always thought there was more to the story there. Something happened to get her pregnant, anyway.

Of course, things like that had happened before.

But that's just all speculation on my part of course. *cough*

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Date: 2007-01-07 02:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com
I love said speculation... Speculate away...

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Date: 2007-01-08 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ahril.livejournal.com
See, she was still a virgin when Jesus was born, because no man had touched her. Angels are not human.

And another thing, Gabriel says, "and he will be called a Son of God." not the Son of God. The Fallen Angels were also called the Sons of God (ie: Anu), so to my mind, Gabriel was telling Mary that Jesus was going to be of the same bloodline as the Fallen Angels/Anunnaki (which is of course, what de Vere has claimed he was as well) and that it would be no secret.

Re: Ramblings

Date: 2007-01-06 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueeyesblazing.livejournal.com
He has named his father as being the God if Isreal, the God of the Old Testament etc. If you want me to, I can dig up verses.

Re: Ramblings

Date: 2007-01-07 02:55 pm (UTC)
ext_5300: tree in the stars (Default)
From: [identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com
Right, but if you read carefully in the old testament, there are several descriptions and personalities of this same God. In fact, in Genesis, there are several different stories going on at the same time. Where did Cain's wife come from, etc..

Re: Ramblings

Date: 2007-01-08 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueeyesblazing.livejournal.com
Right. Agreed. The most noted example of this is two creation stories w/in Genisis.

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