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helen99 ([personal profile] helen99) wrote2007-01-05 12:07 pm

Earth's Heart in a Cage

The version of the new testament that I read long ago says that one and only one crime will never be forgiven: blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

What the heck IS "blasphemy of the holy spirit", I wondered when I read it. Surely it's not some pickled old bum cursing god, country, and destiny.

I think I'm pretty sure I know what the answer is now. Control and domination of the Life Force, control of the Love that binds matter together, control of the planet's magnetic poles, grids, and heart, attempting to place the Earth's heart in a cage. Here are some good candidates:

Patenting and owning of genetic code;
Nuclear detonation (reversing of the strong force, which amounts to scattering love and consciousness);
Genetic engineering - creating life forms without love - amounts to rape and the creation of orcs;
Ownership of life forms, land, water, or air with intent to exploit;
Changing the planet's ice caps and weather patterns with intent to exploit;
Desecrating the earth's polar and equator regions with intent to exploit;

[identity profile] jarandhel.livejournal.com 2007-01-05 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
That's possible, but by the same token neither does random mutation or evolution brought about through population pressures. Antibiotic resistant diseases, the so-called superbugs, are an excellent example of this... they were not created through genetic engineering, but have evolved to counter our superior ability to wipe them out with antibiotics. I can't support progress being stopped purely because we can't always see the consequences of it. I would support limiting the global impact of GMOs... making it so they can't cross-pollinate by growing them in contained environments, taking more time to study them in isolation and slowly introducing them to a more natural environment, things like that. But not stopping the work of engineering them entirely.
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[identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com 2007-01-05 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Right, but see, there are already strains in the environment that do cross pollinate. Once a field is contaminated, under current laws, the product of that field belongs to Monsanto. So then, introduce a strain that can't cross pollinate. I cannot use my own grain anymore, because it belongs to Monsanto. I have to buy theirs, which now does not cross pollinate.

I've just become a slave to the owner of my food chain.

[identity profile] jarandhel.livejournal.com 2007-01-05 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I know, and that's why I suggested that more care needs to be taken to limit their global impact, and that ownership of genetic code be done away with. But as for the grain itself... I see no problem with it having been brought into existance through genetic modification. It's more a problem with the relationship between the geneticist (and/or their parent corporation) and the world, than a problem with the origins of the organism itself. And not every geneticist/corporation necessarily takes this attitude. (Though the corporations are of course more likely to since their primary purpose is almost always to generate profit, turning them into hungry ghosts made manifest and gorging on dollars and lives.)
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[identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com 2007-01-05 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
It has not been proven to my satisfaction that GMOs are harmless and "just like any other grain". A movie called, "The Future of Food" is a good soursce of information about this. Certain studies were never publicized because they revealed that the foods were, in fact, harmful. Here's an example: http://www.foei.org/publications/link/gmo/9.html

No, I can't prove this is accurate. No, I don't want to block scientific progress. But they have not proven to my satisfaction that these things are in fact ok. Especially the ones that splice insecticides like BT into vegetables. Good grief.
http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/biotech/Newsletter/agbio00-3.pdf

Actually I've seen more things indicating that no, they're not ok at all. Until people grow up and dispense with their power-craziness, I'd say this should wait.

I see your point, though.
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[identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com 2007-01-05 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
What the flavr savr article fails to say (but was in the Future of Food) was that eating the tomatoes caused brain lesions in rats. I do not know how much of it they were fed each day, or whether other tomatoes would have caused the same lesions. The Future of Food provides more detail.

This article goes into it:
http://uniorb.com/RCHECK/animalgm.htm

Why are there so few peer reviewed papers on the safety of GM food? Why are studies silenced? For the same reasons that Monsanto went after Rachel Carson over DDT? I don't know... But I will not be Monsanto's guinea pig.
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[identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com 2007-01-05 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry - stomach lesions:

"The unpublished research of Calgene’s FLAVR SAVR tomato (first GM food on the U.S. market) noted some laboratory rats that were given the GM crop developed stomach lesions; and seven of the forty rats died within two weeks. In Germany, twelve cows died after digesting Syngenta's GM maize, prompting the Swiss biotech company to compensate the farmer. The recent disappearance of the once populous Monarch butterflies in North America might be related to GM crops. The Monarch butterfly larvae died from eating milkweed that had been contaminated with Bt corn pollen."
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[identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com 2007-01-05 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
There's no way to prove one way or another if these events are related to GM food. But suppose they really are? What is wrong with erring on the side of caution with things like this.
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[identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com 2007-01-05 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the whole "ownership of genetic code" thing and the "intent to exploit" thing. I think people should give that up, totally and utterly. They don't need it to survive. It's their choice. They can give it up if they want. It is possible.

[identity profile] jarandhel.livejournal.com 2007-01-05 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that ownership of genetic code should be given up... it's like trying to assert ownership of letters or words in the english language because you put them together in a way that hasn't been seen before. It's stupid. But I don't think it follows from that that genetic engineering needs to be given up as well.
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[identity profile] helen99.livejournal.com 2007-01-05 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Here's where the comparison to orcs came from -- In order to combine genes, one piece of DNA is pretty much shot with a gun into another piece of DNA (according to my limited understanding). That's where I got the thing about born in Pain.

When an egg is fertilized, on the other hand, the sperm dance around it and mesmerise it - it's like a game and looks like a lot of fun.

So Fun vs. Pain. Rialian pointed this out to me a couple of days ago.

If they could somehow make the process of GE to be Fun (TM) and include love, then I would not object.

I knew someone who was attracted to Lurtz, lol! If he had not been in such pain upon being born (with a white hand seared on his face), then maybe he would have been a nice guy...